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		<title>By: rina</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7490</link>
		<dc:creator>rina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 08:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;foreign talents&quot; exist in every country. Gymnastic winner for US was from Russia. But we didn&#039;t hear americans accusing the russian-born gold medal winner but we hear tones of complaints from singapreans.

Singaporeans are just jealous. Very very jealous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;foreign talents&#8221; exist in every country. Gymnastic winner for US was from Russia. But we didn&#8217;t hear americans accusing the russian-born gold medal winner but we hear tones of complaints from singapreans.</p>
<p>Singaporeans are just jealous. Very very jealous.</p>
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		<title>By: reene</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7480</link>
		<dc:creator>reene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I don&#039;t think having FT is all that bad for us. It keeps the competition up and tough. HOWEVER, I wish we didn&#039;t send an entire team of foreigners to the Olympics. Singapore needs to learn one thing called balance. We are sending a team of Singapore citizens, not Singaporeans. Are our people SO BAD that they can&#039;t even stand side-by-side with FTs? Is Singapore trying to send out an international message that Singaporeans can do nothing but slog at work all day long? We look at the opening ceremony. Some countries have only a handful of participants and nary a single medal. But are they less proud? I don&#039;t think so.

@cobaltpaladin: Although I&#039;d agree that the SSC is a small step forward, but the most important thing is that the society (not necessarily the individual talents) is not ready to accept sports (or any other non-academic based) as a full-time career. To be really good at sports, you need to be seriously trained from a young age, and even if the kid is really interested in the game, most parents tend to treat it like an ECA, something extra for the kids to keep occupied and themselves to brag to other parents. As a career? Not very likely. Paper credentials will still take a precedence.

I don&#039;t think it&#039;s IMPOSSIBLE, just not in this generation. Maybe 2/3 generations down the road we might see otherwise. But of course, we might not be around to see that in person.

@imp: IMO, &#039;water, organic tomatoes, wine&#039; isn&#039;t really a great example of how we import everything. We can&#039;t produce these things ourselves, with geographical &amp; physical limitations. If we could, and we don&#039;t, then those are valid examples. But we can&#039;t. And that kinda changes things a bit don&#039;t you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t think having FT is all that bad for us. It keeps the competition up and tough. HOWEVER, I wish we didn&#8217;t send an entire team of foreigners to the Olympics. Singapore needs to learn one thing called balance. We are sending a team of Singapore citizens, not Singaporeans. Are our people SO BAD that they can&#8217;t even stand side-by-side with FTs? Is Singapore trying to send out an international message that Singaporeans can do nothing but slog at work all day long? We look at the opening ceremony. Some countries have only a handful of participants and nary a single medal. But are they less proud? I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
<p>@cobaltpaladin: Although I&#8217;d agree that the SSC is a small step forward, but the most important thing is that the society (not necessarily the individual talents) is not ready to accept sports (or any other non-academic based) as a full-time career. To be really good at sports, you need to be seriously trained from a young age, and even if the kid is really interested in the game, most parents tend to treat it like an ECA, something extra for the kids to keep occupied and themselves to brag to other parents. As a career? Not very likely. Paper credentials will still take a precedence.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s IMPOSSIBLE, just not in this generation. Maybe 2/3 generations down the road we might see otherwise. But of course, we might not be around to see that in person.</p>
<p>@imp: IMO, &#8216;water, organic tomatoes, wine&#8217; isn&#8217;t really a great example of how we import everything. We can&#8217;t produce these things ourselves, with geographical &amp; physical limitations. If we could, and we don&#8217;t, then those are valid examples. But we can&#8217;t. And that kinda changes things a bit don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>By: imp</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7482</link>
		<dc:creator>imp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>me and the friends don&#039;t really care. what&#039;s new? so long we pay, we will have, insist and expect to see results from all these money.

unfortunately, it&#039;s going to be a tough longer road to getting a medal if we don&#039;t import.

so we import foreign talent lor. just like the way we import everything else.  water, organic tomatoes, wine...blah blah blah.

so we have a silver. paper credentials. good lor. do i feel pride and glory? no. this is the same logic as how Singapore Inc runs the country. not surprising.

imps last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://faerieimps.blogspot.com/2008/08/you-remember-this-ramen-shop.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;You Remember This Ramen Shop?&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>me and the friends don&#8217;t really care. what&#8217;s new? so long we pay, we will have, insist and expect to see results from all these money.</p>
<p>unfortunately, it&#8217;s going to be a tough longer road to getting a medal if we don&#8217;t import.</p>
<p>so we import foreign talent lor. just like the way we import everything else.  water, organic tomatoes, wine&#8230;blah blah blah.</p>
<p>so we have a silver. paper credentials. good lor. do i feel pride and glory? no. this is the same logic as how Singapore Inc runs the country. not surprising.</p>
<p>imps last blog post..<a href="http://faerieimps.blogspot.com/2008/08/you-remember-this-ramen-shop.html" rel="nofollow">You Remember This Ramen Shop?</a></p>
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		<title>By: Clement</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7483</link>
		<dc:creator>Clement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing really wrong with winning a silver medal by the FT team, but how nice it could have been if one of the team members is a Local Talent (LT) Singaporean, or....a LT Singaporean who had been sponsored by the state (hence tax payers) to be trained by real non-Singaporean FTs overseas (like, being trained in China since young).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing really wrong with winning a silver medal by the FT team, but how nice it could have been if one of the team members is a Local Talent (LT) Singaporean, or&#8230;.a LT Singaporean who had been sponsored by the state (hence tax payers) to be trained by real non-Singaporean FTs overseas (like, being trained in China since young).</p>
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		<title>By: cobaltpaladin</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7484</link>
		<dc:creator>cobaltpaladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK, you are right.  I disagree with your comment.  :)

I wonder if you had read some of the earlier comments.  Some local talents with world-class potential had been spotted before but their parents wanted them to pursue academic path and paper qualifications.  This is because parents feel that there is no &quot;future&quot; in sports.  As such, foreign talents had been brought in to kick-start the sports scene and now we have &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sportsschool.edu.sg/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Singapore Sports School&lt;/a&gt; which I believe is moving in the right direction for the local sports scene.  I don&#039;t think our local talents are not good enough.  It is just that they are not willing to devote their future to sports.  We just need to change their mindset and our paperchase culture.

Building the Singapore Sports School is one of the steps to building a sporting culture here and nurturing our talents for the future.

cobaltpaladins last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ALongAndArduousRoadOfAnEntrepreneur/~3/348155476/win-oledy-lor.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Win Oledy Lor&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK, you are right.  I disagree with your comment.  <img src='http://blog.dk.sg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I wonder if you had read some of the earlier comments.  Some local talents with world-class potential had been spotted before but their parents wanted them to pursue academic path and paper qualifications.  This is because parents feel that there is no &#8220;future&#8221; in sports.  As such, foreign talents had been brought in to kick-start the sports scene and now we have <a href="http://www.sportsschool.edu.sg/" rel="nofollow">Singapore Sports School</a> which I believe is moving in the right direction for the local sports scene.  I don&#8217;t think our local talents are not good enough.  It is just that they are not willing to devote their future to sports.  We just need to change their mindset and our paperchase culture.</p>
<p>Building the Singapore Sports School is one of the steps to building a sporting culture here and nurturing our talents for the future.</p>
<p>cobaltpaladins last blog post..<a href="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ALongAndArduousRoadOfAnEntrepreneur/~3/348155476/win-oledy-lor.html" rel="nofollow">Win Oledy Lor</a></p>
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		<title>By: dk</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7485</link>
		<dc:creator>dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cobalt Paladin: I think you will disagree with me. But I think this whole Foreign Talent Scheme will only make the locals lose interest in the sport. Everyone will start to have this mentality that we can always buy a FT over to help us win. Who will want to spend time and effort to train when there is a high chance that the Singapore Sport Council will just go oversea to buy the top ranking athletes to help us win medal?

Yes, our local may not be good enough. And they will never be good enough if we never give them a chance. They will never be good enough if we keep sending FT oversea for major competition.

FT can bring us medal. But we have to keep buying more and more in order to keep getting medals for us. Is this what we want?

Wouldn&#039;t it be better if we shake off this FT mentality and start building a sporting culture in the locals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cobalt Paladin: I think you will disagree with me. But I think this whole Foreign Talent Scheme will only make the locals lose interest in the sport. Everyone will start to have this mentality that we can always buy a FT over to help us win. Who will want to spend time and effort to train when there is a high chance that the Singapore Sport Council will just go oversea to buy the top ranking athletes to help us win medal?</p>
<p>Yes, our local may not be good enough. And they will never be good enough if we never give them a chance. They will never be good enough if we keep sending FT oversea for major competition.</p>
<p>FT can bring us medal. But we have to keep buying more and more in order to keep getting medals for us. Is this what we want?</p>
<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be better if we shake off this FT mentality and start building a sporting culture in the locals?</p>
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		<title>By: cobaltpaladin</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7487</link>
		<dc:creator>cobaltpaladin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:24:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ignorantsoup,

I guess, like most of us, you would feel extreme pride when our fellow local-born Singapore sports person win a medal.

It is a long and tedious process to build up the sports scene here.  The government import foreign talents, hope to kick-start the sports scene when they win and encourage more local talents to take up sports and realise their potential.  When our local born talents finally win in future, it&#039;ll instill national pride, sense of camaraderie and belonging in all of us.

Think 霍元甲 and the humiliating term 东亚病夫.  It took a hero to restore the pride of the people.  You can read the story here:  http://baike.baidu.com/view/4436.htm

Did you also see the Chinese audience in the Olympic sports stadium cheering their fellow sports person?  Did you see their passion, their enthusiasm?

Remember the kallang-roar when Singapore soccer team plays against Malaysian teams?  Didn&#039;t the roar excite you and race your pulse?  It is the pride that we feel as Singaporean that we felt when we did the kallang-roar and wave.

Sports in some ways would unite a nation.

Sports are important in many levels.  Through sports, it&#039;ll instill discipline and mental strength.  If more people are interested and take up sports, our health will also be better and less people need to worry about the escalating medical costs. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ignorantsoup,</p>
<p>I guess, like most of us, you would feel extreme pride when our fellow local-born Singapore sports person win a medal.</p>
<p>It is a long and tedious process to build up the sports scene here.  The government import foreign talents, hope to kick-start the sports scene when they win and encourage more local talents to take up sports and realise their potential.  When our local born talents finally win in future, it&#8217;ll instill national pride, sense of camaraderie and belonging in all of us.</p>
<p>Think 霍元甲 and the humiliating term 东亚病夫.  It took a hero to restore the pride of the people.  You can read the story here:  <a href="http://baike.baidu.com/view/4436.htm" rel="nofollow">http://baike.baidu.com/view/4436.htm</a></p>
<p>Did you also see the Chinese audience in the Olympic sports stadium cheering their fellow sports person?  Did you see their passion, their enthusiasm?</p>
<p>Remember the kallang-roar when Singapore soccer team plays against Malaysian teams?  Didn&#8217;t the roar excite you and race your pulse?  It is the pride that we feel as Singaporean that we felt when we did the kallang-roar and wave.</p>
<p>Sports in some ways would unite a nation.</p>
<p>Sports are important in many levels.  Through sports, it&#8217;ll instill discipline and mental strength.  If more people are interested and take up sports, our health will also be better and less people need to worry about the escalating medical costs. <img src='http://blog.dk.sg/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ignorantsoup</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7489</link>
		<dc:creator>ignorantsoup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I feel is that the Olympics is a special place where everyone just comes and have fun and challenge ourselves. It&#039;s a place where we try our best to up the record, and a medal is secondary, not primary. Is it so important to win a medal? That we have to hire people to do it for us? I mean, I am disillusioned. What are the supposed benefits that the medal is bringing for us?

I guess I feel that I just don&#039;t want them to take up the place if there are willing Singaporeans who want to try.

We should also stop saying that Singaporeans are not too into sports. This does not justify the need to be so caught up in the quest for medals and implement the foreign talent scheme.

In my humble opinion, foreign talents are those who come here because they want to come here, and they have something to contribute to us. They will be welcome by all of us because they are sincere in living here with us. I am not too sure how to react to the silver medal. I don&#039;t feel any pride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I feel is that the Olympics is a special place where everyone just comes and have fun and challenge ourselves. It&#8217;s a place where we try our best to up the record, and a medal is secondary, not primary. Is it so important to win a medal? That we have to hire people to do it for us? I mean, I am disillusioned. What are the supposed benefits that the medal is bringing for us?</p>
<p>I guess I feel that I just don&#8217;t want them to take up the place if there are willing Singaporeans who want to try.</p>
<p>We should also stop saying that Singaporeans are not too into sports. This does not justify the need to be so caught up in the quest for medals and implement the foreign talent scheme.</p>
<p>In my humble opinion, foreign talents are those who come here because they want to come here, and they have something to contribute to us. They will be welcome by all of us because they are sincere in living here with us. I am not too sure how to react to the silver medal. I don&#8217;t feel any pride.</p>
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		<title>By: dk</title>
		<link>http://blog.dk.sg/2008/08/17/and-so-we-got-an-olympic-medal/comment-page-1/#comment-7488</link>
		<dc:creator>dk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tran: I think it&#039;s very disrespectful to call the 4 million people here sinkies. So I guess you should wake up too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tran: I think it&#8217;s very disrespectful to call the 4 million people here sinkies. So I guess you should wake up too.</p>
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		<title>By: Tran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WAke up. There are only 4 million sinkies. You will take another 100 years if you want to rely on Sinkies. Talent is born, not made. You are indeed a narrow minded person. Your this kind of post will divide the society big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WAke up. There are only 4 million sinkies. You will take another 100 years if you want to rely on Sinkies. Talent is born, not made. You are indeed a narrow minded person. Your this kind of post will divide the society big time.</p>
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